

“What are you chasing?”
In this episode, Susan sits down with Brandon Swoboda, CEO and President of Workmatters, for a thoughtful conversation about biblical manhood and the importance of reflection. Together, they explore what happens when work, success, and striving become our goal, why stillness and reflection can feel so difficult, and how true formation begins when we learn to sit with God.
Whether you’re a man or someone who loves and walks alongside the men in your life, this conversation offers encouragement, wisdom, and a reminder that God is far more concerned with who we are becoming than the status we strive to achieve.
Resources:
Living Thirsty: A Counterintuitive Way of Following Jesus on the Narrow Road by Dr. Kent Denlinger
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